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With No Money, How Do I Pay My Attorney to File My Bankruptcy?

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How do I Pay My Attorney for My Bankruptcy?

By, Ginger Kelly, Esq.  April 10, 2018

The other day, a personal friend asked me (for a friend), whether or not they should she use their tax return tax refund to pay down their credit card bills or to replace the old and leaking roof on their home.  Their roof needed repairing badly.  Their credit card debt was very old and the payments were more than they could afford.  Even though I can’t make that final decision for this friend’s friend (or any of my clients), I can advise most folks of their legal options.  When people need to make a choice between a roof over their head or paying credit card bills, one good option available to most everyone is a fresh start.

In many or most situations, bankruptcy can give an individual or a couple, the fresh start they need. If you are in a position where you need to make important decisions like what to pay and what not to pay, like a roof on your home or to repair the vehicle you need to get to work, talk to a good bankruptcy attorney.  Most give free first consultations, like our office. Bankruptcy might be an option for you, or maybe not.  A person hasn’t lost but an hour of their time discussing their options with a good attorney.  Talking to a professional about options for taking care of debt, sometimes gives the clarity you need to make the right decisions for your future.

A client visited me the other day to discuss her situation. Apparently, she had debt exceeding any amount she could pay.  It wasn’t much debt, but it was a lot for her and that is important. Her earnings were barely more than the poverty level.  So while we had a nice hot cup of coffee, we talked about all of her options.  It was a nice pleasant, casual conversation.  I discovered that my client earned too much money to qualify for a free bankruptcy, through legal aid. She was sad and asked me what can be done.

Because her bankruptcy was not complex, I agreed to lower my fee. I gave her my best  fee option. Still, she was worried. Where would she find the money to pay the attorney fee? I asked her if she was getting a tax refund. She said yes, but it wasn’t enough. She was sickened with the idea of paying creditors all of her disposable income for years to come.

All of a sudden, she had an idea. She said, rather than trying to negotiate and pay down her credit card debt, using all of her disposable income, she said she could ask her uncle for the money. She said that she was thinking of asking him for a gift to help her pay down her loans anyway. Why not ask him for the same gift to pay her attorney’s fees?  Good idea! Sometimes asking relatives to help is a better option than worrying about how to pay overwhelming debt. I’ve had several clients in this kind of situation.

Once, a couple was in the same situation. The wife lost her job due to illness and then one thing led to another. They became deeply indebted, mostly to unsecured creditors (credit card companies). The best option for them was to file for bankruptcy. We talked a little bit and I gave them my best rate.  They were thankful, but without the extra cash, they didn’t know how to pay the legal fees. This was a problem for them.  However, determination overcomes lots of obstacles.

This couple scraped and saved and paid a little along. One spouse sold a baseball card collection and some tools.  The other sold some furniture they no longer needed. They used Craigslist and Facebook Yard Sale to sell a few more things.  They sent checks, one by one, to our office. Sometimes the check was small, sometimes large. We placed all of these funds into our client’s trust account, on hold for them until they finished paying. It didn’t take long. Within about four months, this couple paid all their fees, including the filing fee. This couple couldn’t have been happier.  I was so happy to help them in this way.

Once a person is determined to make a bad situation better, magic happens. There are more options for paying lawyer’s fees than these. Options are only limited by a person’s motivation, determination and imagination. Typically, I ask clients whether or not they have a tax refund coming to them.  This is a very good option for covering fees and things.  Then, I suggest asking friends or relatives for a gift.  At our office we have many ways of making your bankruptcy affordable, sometimes even free or at a reduced rate. Ask us how and perhaps we can help to make your fresh start,more affordable.  It may be easier than you think.

The Law Offices of Ginger B. Kelly is now accepting clients in the Sturbridge, Southbridge, Dudley, Webster, Oxford, Charlton, Auburn, Spencer, Brookfield, Warren and all of the Worcester County Area. We can explore whether or not bankruptcy is the easy way out or not.  We have a comfortable place to talk and a free pot of coffee waiting for you.

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ABOUT ME: Attorney Kelly is an attorney in good standing, licensed to practice in both the Federal District and State Courts of Massachusetts and Rhode Island. Her law practice is focused on consumer debt, finance, bankruptcy and District Court matters. Attorney Kelly is experienced in both criminal and civil trial work. On a personal note, Attorney Kelly enjoys writing and other things, like conservation and agriculture. To find out more, visit, http://www.attorneykelly.com or call us at (508) 784-1444.

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Copyright © 2018 by Ginger B. Kelly, Esq., all rights reserved.

 

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I stole this title from Andy Prescott: “Think Twice Before Taking out a 401(k) Loan”

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Image by Mike Luckovich, editorial cartoonist and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Pulitzer Prize winner

Using a 401(k) loan to pay for things may be OK in some instances. However it’s not always a good idea, as stated in an article entitled, “Think Twice Before Taking Out a 401(k) Loan,” written by one of my favorite bloggers Andy Prescott. Andy is a CPA who writes about saving money at artofbeingcheap.com and is also a staff contributor for HowardClark.com. I enjoyed Andy’s article and, as usual, he brought up a few good points from a CPA perspective.

Then I thought about this.  Since I’m a bankruptcy attorney, why not explain how this works based on my experience and training?  Helping debtors make good choices when faced with financial problems is my business.

For quite some time now, as a general word of advice in most circumstances, I advise most clients that taking out a 401(k) retirement account loan to pay off pressing debt is probably not your best option.  Of course this depends.  Everyone’s situation is different.  Even so, especially when a person is considering bankruptcy, taking a 401(k) loan to pay off debt just complicates the whole idea of using this viable option for relief.  Not only does this complicate good decision making, it also complicates a bankruptcy discharge, trustee decisions and more.

Here’s why:

Say the bills are mounting. You are having trouble paying them. Maybe you lost your job, or had an unexpected death in the family, an unusual medical issue or recently became unemployed. Whatever the reason, bankruptcy may seem like an awesome option. Bankruptcy is a useful legal tool.  Bankruptcy is intended to help debtors in need get a fresh start. A fresh start sounds like a really good thing, right?  Well, it depends.

Often, a truly fresh start depends on the decisions a debtor makes pre-bankruptcy filing, like using a 401(k) or other retirement account loan to pay down debt.  Under current federal and local bankruptcy rules, in a Chapter 7 or Chapter 13 bankruptcy case, an ERISA qualified retirement account is a protected asset. This includes a 401(k) savings plan and most ERISA qualified retirement accounts, like IRAs, including Roth IRAs. These types of accounts are exempt from creditors claims. Great! This is the good news! A 401(k) is a protected exemption.

Now for the bad news. Suppose a debtor gets into financial trouble. The debtor is stressed and needs fast easy cash to payoff bills, maybe some medical bills or old IRS debt, maybe even the mortgage payments.  To a debtor under stress, borrowing against a 401(k) and using those funds to pay down debt seems to make sense.  It’s easy.  No credit checks required, no questions asked and there is very little paperwork. Ask and ye shall receive, the bills can be paid.  But wait!

Little did our friend the debtor realize, that if bankruptcy was ever a good option, they may have spoiled a new beginning. Borrowing against a 401(k) retirement account to pay down debt, prior to filing, will seriously jeopardize their fresh start. After all, when faced with serious financial struggles, bankruptcy should be a viable option. It’s the new alternative to the old debtor’s prison. Anyway, depending upon the circumstances bankruptcy is useful, but not if the option is compromised by poor planning and decision-making.

As a general rule, a 401(k) retirement account loan can’t be discharged under Bankruptcy. If you borrow against it, then file for bankruptcy, you have to pay the loan back according to your 401(k) retirement account plan rules. What’s done is done. There’s no going back.

On the other hand, say a debtor facing big financial trouble decides not to pay down bills by borrowing against a 401(k) or other ERISA qualified retirement account, then they find a good attorney and decide that bankruptcy is the best option, they have a great opportunity for a brand new fresh start.

If all goes well, a debtor may decide to file for bankruptcy under this set of circumstances.  The debtor will get to discharge most, if not all, insurmountable bills (most debts are forgiven under chapter 7) or pay for a short time with a reasonable payment plan and then get a full discharge (under a chapter 13).  Additionally, the debtor gets to keep all their 401(k) retirement savings!  Like magic, they get a fresh start.  Presto-chango!

Like I said before, bankruptcy is often a useful tool for those who need it.  Making wise decisions about 401(k) retirement savings accounts and other qualified ERISA retirement accounts is important.  These kinds of accounts are often overlooked valuable exempt (protected) assets under state and federal bankruptcy law.

This is one reason why it’s a good idea to think of your finances like a critically important lifetime project. “Measure twice and cut once.”  Think twice, in other words, before making big financial decisions or taking out 401(k) retirement account loans to pay debt.

Speak to your trusted attorney. Get all the facts. Plan your best course of action so your action doesn’t plan you.

Got it? Got it. Good!

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ABOUT ME:  Attorney Kelly is an attorney in good standing, licensed to practice in both the Federal District and State Courts of Massachusetts and Rhode Island.  Her law practice is focused on consumer finance and bankruptcy.  However, Attorney Kelly is experienced in both criminal and civil trial work.  On a personal note, Attorney Kelly enjoys writing and other things, like conservation and agriculture.  To find out more visit, www.attorneykelly.squarespace.com or http://www.attorneykelly.wordpress.com, or call us at (508) 784-1444.

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NOTICE:  Attorney Kelly does NOT provide legal advice to anyone via social media or anywhere over the Internet.  Any and all electronic posts and writings, by Attorney Kelly, does NOT establish any type of attorney-client relationship, whatsoever, neither perceived, actual, material, implied or other.  We can not stress enough, if you need personal legal advice, always see your attorney.  Do not rely upon Attorney Kelly’s posts, writings or any Internet information on websites or social media for your own personal legal advice.  Seek legal advice and representation from your own personal attorney.

Copyright © 2015 by Ginger B. Kelly, Esq., all rights reserved.

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